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Nov 19, 2010
dcd
Adelines Mom
I just posted this in response to your reply on the "Different Formulas" thread, but then I thought I'd make a new topic in case you don't go back to that thread. It sounds like you are still having a couple issues with finding the right formula. We tried 7 different formulas and finally had success with Neocate. But maybe some of this info will be helpful to you. Or maybe you already know all this! It took me a while to figure out how all the peices fit together, so just in case -

Adelines Mom - I am so surprised and stumped to hear about your daughter's reaction to the Neocate! I wonder what that was all about. It shouldn't have been the corn, because the corn protein is completely broken down into amino acids, just like the milk protein. All of the protein chains in elemental formula are broken down so as not to cause reactions. If she does well on Good Start, I'm betting she has a problem specifically with the *casein* milk protein. (Though that still doesn't explain why she didn't improve on Neocate - since Neocate is completely broken down it should've been very gentle on her system.) Anyway Good Start is 100% whey protein. You probably already know this, but I didn't, so just in case: milk is made up of whey protein and casein protein. Casein is thought to be harder on the stomach - it forms curds in the GI tract which can cause constipation in some kids. If Adeline is prone to constipation, it would make sense that she would do better on a 100% whey formula. When Nestle markets their "comfort proteins", they are referring to the whey protein, which is thought to be gentle on the stomach. Good Start is the only 100% whey formula. The whey:casein ratios vary among the formulas; if I'm remembering correctly from back when I did my research, Enfamil is 60/40 whey:casein and Similac is 50/50 whey:casein. Also, I am betting she does not have a problem with corn because Good Start has corn syrup solids in it just like almost every other formula (unless my memory has completely failed me!) Corn syrup solids are probably listed as the second ingredient on your can. Alimentum Ready-to-Feed is the only formula without corn - it uses tapioca solids instead. If you are interested, here is some information I found helpful when I was going through what seemed like a never-ending experiment with formulas: http://www.askdrsears.com/html/0/T000100.asp

Nov 19, 2010
dcd
Sorry, with paragraph breaks:

Adelines Mom - I am so surprised and stumped to hear about your daughter's reaction to the Neocate! I wonder what that was all about. It shouldn't have been the corn, because the corn protein is completely broken down into amino acids, just like the milk protein. All of the protein chains in elemental formula are broken down so as not to cause reactions.

If she does well on Good Start, I'm betting she has a problem specifically with the *casein* milk protein. (Though that still doesn't explain why she didn't improve on Neocate - since Neocate is completely broken down it should've been very gentle on her system.) Anyway Good Start is 100% whey protein.

You probably already know this, but I didn't, so just in case: milk is made up of whey protein and casein protein. Casein is thought to be harder on the stomach - it forms curds in the GI tract which can cause constipation in some kids. If Adeline is prone to constipation, it would make sense that she would do better on a 100% whey formula. When Nestle markets their "comfort proteins", they are referring to the whey protein, which is thought to be gentle on the stomach.

Good Start is the only 100% whey formula. The whey:casein ratios vary among the formulas; if I'm remembering correctly from back when I did my research, Enfamil is 60/40 whey:casein and Similac is 50/50 whey:casein.

Also, I am betting she does not have a problem with corn because Good Start has corn syrup solids in it just like almost every other formula (unless my memory has completely failed me!) Corn syrup solids are probably listed as the second ingredient on your can. Alimentum Ready-to-Feed is the only formula without corn - it uses tapioca solids instead.

If you are interested, here is some information I found helpful when I was going through what seemed like a never-ending experiment with formulas: http://www.askdrsears.com/html/0/T000100.asp

Nov 19, 2010
dcd
One last thing! In the Dr. Sears article he talks about Carnation Good Start, which is the same as your Nestle Good Start. Carnation is owned by Nestle, I think they just made the switch to calling it "Nestle" Good Start vs. "Carnation" Good Start in the last year or so.
Nov 19, 2010
dcd
One last thing! In the Dr. Sears article he talks about Carnation Good Start, which is the same as your Nestle Good Start. Carnation is owned by Nestle, I think they just made the switch to calling it "Nestle" Good Start vs. "Carnation" Good Start in the last year or so.
Nov 19, 2010
kavyamom
Adelines Mom, you were also asking if anyone experienced constipation with Neocate Jr. in one of your earlier posts. We have been giving Kavya Neocate Jr. unflavored for one week now and yes, she is getting constipated. I give her the Gerber apple/prune juice and coconut water (clear liquid - NAKED or ONE brand available in whole foods store) and that helps some.
Nov 19, 2010
dcd
Kavyamom if you are trying to eliminate dairy- have you seen this site? Www.refluxrebels.com. The "Feeding for MSPI" tab has sone good info. Also I noticed in another post you are giving some Gerber juices. I have read that all Gerber products are potentially contaminated w/milk, even the stuff that doesn't directly contain it. They use the same factories to manufacture everything. You may want to switch to Earths Best or one of the other brands for a couple weeks just to make sure you get a completely accurate trial. Just a thought.
Nov 21, 2010
kavyamom
DCD, I have seen that site before. Thanks. So, far Neocate hasn't been very good for us. I will post another msg.
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doctor first!