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Feb 13, 2009
Shawna: First time Mom to Mallory (10/07/08). Silent reflux diagnosed at 2 months. Alimentum formula fed. Trial of Losec (minimal effect). Now Prevacid 1x/day plus Zantac 2x/day.
Sleep training and reflux?
Has anyone tried any sleep training with their babies? I'm just wondering if it's even worth trying when the symptoms aren't totally under control (but will they ever be?) so that we don't have problems when she's older. It takes us hours to get Mallory to sleep every night.
Feb 14, 2009
Tracey, mom to Katie diagnosed with GERD at 3 week.
/P/How are you defining sleep training? We did not let K "cry it out" until we had seen that she could put herself to sleep in her crib and that wasn't until she was over 6 months old. Even now we don't let her exhaust herself with crying unless we know that she is too tired to sleep and needs to cry it out. At four months I wouldn't expect Mallory to be able to calm herself down enough to put herself to sleep. I know doctors tell you at birth to put them to bed awake so that they can learn how to do it but I think once you add GERD in it's just too difficult and they need more comfort than most babies./p/ /p/On your previous post about Zantac it did make Katie so very irritable. We didn't know it until we switched her to Prevacid at 8 months. At her highest dosage it was giving her migraines so I would consider that. The Prevacid compound does not contain lactose but it is only viable for 2 weeks max so you may have to pay have to investigate pharmacies and if insurance will pay. HTH! /p/
Feb 14, 2009
Julie - I have three children. My youngest Katie is my refluxer. My first Ben was very colicy and is ADHD. My middle Jakob is pretty easy going. Katie had it bad as a baby no sleep for two years. She was on Nutramagin, Prevacid and Zantac. Thought we were through it but after age three it came back big time. After her scope she was put on Prevacid 45mg a day and mylanta as needed. Scope was in Sept. Showed damage in stomach and espophogus. It took about 7 months of medication and Reflux diet for her to start feeling better.
I feel your pain.We did the cry it out with my first two but with Katie it wasn't worth it. We let her cry it out and the poor thing fell asleep standing up in her crib five hours later. My own personal opinion is that, until the reflux is under control you just have to do what you can to help them sleep.

Katie started sleeping well when she was two and got into a big girl bed with a pillow. At that time we did the "Supernanny" stand at the door and keep putting them in their bed until they stay. That took about a week.

Since then she has been an incredible sleeper.

IMHO wait until you have her pain under control.

Feb 14, 2009
Andrea: Mom to 3 crazy girls!
Jackie (3/01)
Payton (9/03)
Abby (4/06) Prevacid 7.5mg (evening), MSPI, goats milk (currently trying to wean off Prevacid)
We also waited till Abby's reflux was under control. We never had to do CIO with her. We just started putting her in her crib more and more awake. Instead of laying her down when she was already asleep.
Feb 14, 2009
Shawna: First time Mom to Mallory (10/07/08). Silent reflux diagnosed at 2 months. Alimentum formula fed. Trial of Losec (minimal effect). Now Prevacid 1x/day plus Zantac 2x/day.
Thanks, ladies. I think we're all on the same page and I also feel the same... until the reflux is under control just keep doing what we're doing. I'm not at all interested in the 'CIO' method either. Maybe I'll experiment a little with putting her in her crib slightly more awake but other than that we'll just carry on. We're actually really lucky right now in that Mallory can sleep about 8 hours or so at night without waking up - it's just getting her to sleep (and back to bed after night wakings) that's a problem. Tracey, was it the Zantac or Prevacid that was giving your daughter migraines? How did you figure that out? What was the dosage?
Feb 15, 2009
kaitlyn's mom

Zantac gave her migraines. We figured it after about a week. At the time she was on 80 mgs. spread out 3 times a day. She would wake up in a great mood and about 20 mins. after giving her her meds she would become inconsolable and start hitting her head and pulling her hair. We would give Tylenol and she would get better and the scene would play out 2 more times each day. I looked up side effects of Zantac and at high doses migraines are possible. We now think that she should have been taken off of Zantac at about 2 months since she was NEVER a happy talkative baby. Once Prevacid got into her system, which took 6 weeks if I remember correctly, she became a completely different baby. Zantac also in my opinion caused her to stop throwing up completely and made her into a silent refluxer. She used to throw up and the Zantac stopped that. At the time we were glad but since we now know that it j ust caused her to swallow what she would have otherwise thrown up I would do it differently.

At her last check up her pedi finally admitted that she is beyond his field of knowledge and has "given" her to her GI. I was pleased that he finally acknowledged this but angry that we trusted him when he would raise her Zantac dose twice a month thinking that it was working. If you don't think that Zantac is working then I would try something else. We have also found that too high of a Prevacid dose mimickes acid reflux and causes her to stop sleeping as well. I know that the Marci kids website advises of super high doses but I know kids who can't do high even if their reflux isn't complely controlled by a low dose.

Feb 15, 2009
kaitlyn's mom
The above post is from Tracey, Katiesmommy. I had to create a new identity at one point and accidentally logged on as that identity.
Feb 15, 2009
Donnessa, mom to Halley born 3/10/07
Reflux (mostly) resolved at 14 months
and Addison born 8/17/09. Currently exclusively bf and on 7.5mg Prevacid
I agree that you should probably wait until the symptoms are under control. We ended up doing a modified CIO once I was sure that my daughter was not in pain. Good luck - it's going to take some patience :-)
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