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Aug 07, 2008
mom2coy
Coyle Eagan. One Year Old. Doing well on Cow's Milk flavored with juice :) Drinking two bottles of Go&Grow daily. Eating solids better but still have rough days. No More Silent Reflux-that I can hear anyway.. but puking again. Zantac 2ML 2X daily.
need advice please
HI everyone. I'm wondering if I can get some advice. Should I stop giving coyle bottles @ night if he wakes? I've had 3 different friends tell me i should just let him cry. On one hand I don't want to feed him @ night because I wonder if that is why he is such a poor eater during the day. {he drinks bottles well during the day but does not eat many solids still}. He is drinking anywhere from 28-30 ounes total including the nighttime bottles. On the other hand, well... our doctor's are not happy with his weight. @ 11 mo/10 mo. adjusted he weighs under 16 pounds.

Part of me wants to believe that in all actuality his weight is good. For example, he is about 3.5 times the size he was @ birth. If he was 8 pounds @ birth and grew that well he would be off the charts @ 28 pounds right now. And, for many preemies or babies with IUGR catch-up growth doesn't stop until the age of 2 and for some as late as 6. My husband is very, very fit and is a pig. We weighed him before dinner/after dinner one night and he had eaten 5 pounds of food!! He weighs what I do and is 7 inches taller! So, I'm wondering if coyle (god bless him if he did) just inherited his father's metabolism and not mine!! According to the last measurement coyle was 15 pounds 9 ounces and around 26 inches long. That is 50% for BMI.

the other part of me, the one that takes the stares and the comments personally, just wishes that he would get fatter. Also, if I were to feed him more during the day he'd just puke more anyway. At night, he rarely ever spits up or even silent-refluxes.

thanks for listening
Aug 07, 2008
maggiemom
Maggie is now 3 years old and reflux free (knock on wood). I still check in some to see how everybody is doing :) Hugs to all!
This is one of those things that depends on your "parenting philosophy". Moms have diff opinions of crying it out. I personally believe that if you know he's not in pain, then it definitely wouldn't hurt to try it. Especially if you plan to wean him from the bottle at a year. How many times does he wake for a bottle? Either way, I took them one at a time and weaned her down to her bedtime bottle. Then right at a year, I took it.

Like I said though, you don't have to do it like I did. It's whatever works for you and your family. Good luck with your decision.

Aug 07, 2008
jedd'smommy
Jessica, Mommy to Jedd, severe reflux, severe food and oral aversions, Finally G tube free!!! VSD repair 4-24-07 (open heart surgery), hypospadias, repaired 3 times and Ear tubes Visit Jedd at his CB site: www.caringbridge.org/visit/jedd
since IUGR is a factor I would talk to the pedi about it and see if they are comfortable enough with the weght to let you do it.
Aug 07, 2008
michelle&aurora
Aurora born March 17, 2007
3 years, 8 months old
Weighs 25.8 lbs
8 lbs 11 oz at birth.
Recovered Chronic Projectile Vomiter
Prevacid Free since September 08
Egg allergy diagnosed Jan 26/09
Has a Pectus Excavatum
Has an Epipen
I would talk to your pediatrician and see what she says. Rory was 16lbs 4 oz at 10 1/2 months, so I totally understand your feelings. I can't tell you what to do, but I felt VERY STRONGLY about letting her cry it out, and had no problem with feeding her if she would take it because she was a bottle fighter for so long. It can't hurt him. Whether it's affecting his solids....well, I wondered the same thing too. After many many many horrible feeding days, I know in my heart that it wasn't just "too much formula", kwim? My advice would that if you don't mind getting up to do it, then do it, but you should be cautioned that sleep training will be harder when you don't want to get up and do it. Also, if he's eating and puking during the day, my guess is that it's not "too much formula" either.

His BMI is great, too, btw!! From what the feeding clinic has said, this is the more important indicator of healthy growth. Do what you feel is best Mama!!! There's no right or wrong answer in my opinion. It's a hard decision with "littluns". :)

Aug 07, 2008
lauren'smom
Jennifer - 1st time mom. Lauren (6/1/07) diagnosed 9/07 with GER at 3 1/2 months. Prevacid 7.5 mg in the am. Currently drinking whole milk and eating great!!
No longer aspirating! Yippee!
Picture: Why would Lauren play with the hundreds of dollars worth of toys scattered in my living room?!?! When she could play in a box! Estimated move date: Oct. 3rd!
I had similar issue with Lauren and solids intake and asked our GI and was then referred to a nutritionist. At the time I was told I was supplying "too much" formula all day and not allowing her to feel hungry for solids. We were giving bottles at 6:30 am, 9 am, 12:00, 2, 4:30, 7 and usually a night time feed around midnight. She told me to stop the night feed and stop giving the 2 and 4:30 bottle and just give 1 bottle at 3. Then try to feed Lauren solids around 5:30. She also told me to offer all solids BEFORE bottles.

I would have a hard time cutting the night time bottle personally. Lauren JUST started consistently eating solids at 1 year old and this was when I was home with her every day controlling as much of her environment as possible.

You have to decide if he's getting up for comfort or because he's hungry. If you have any doubt that he's hungry absolutely feed him! I have several friends who got up with their baby's until they were 1 year old. I didn't want to do this and go to work, so I pushed it a little more.

Also, I think Sarah (ceramom) has mentioned before that CIO can burn lots of calories...AND as he gets more mobile with walking, crawling and cruising he'll burn even more calories.

Aug 07, 2008
mom2coy
Coyle Eagan. One Year Old. Doing well on Cow's Milk flavored with juice :) Drinking two bottles of Go&Grow daily. Eating solids better but still have rough days. No More Silent Reflux-that I can hear anyway.. but puking again. Zantac 2ML 2X daily.
yeah, that's the thing about mobility. my kiddo never stops! even with his high tone he's been crawling since 7.5 months, he is cruising now (not much , but some) and is also starting to stand on his own. he is such a busy body and always so, so active. he even moves in his sleep!

he has been waking @ 10:45 p.m. and at that time i can go to him and rock him for a minute and get him back to sleep. then he usually wakes @ 3 and i give him 4 ounces. he wakes again any time between 5:45 and 7:15 for the day.

his schedule is:

wake up morning bottle-6 oz then breakfast of some solids mid-morning bottle @ 10 a-6 oz then handfull of puffs lunch @ 12 or so of some solids mid-afternoon bottle-6 oz around 3 pm with some puffs after dinner @ 5:30 of some solids nighttime bottle @ 6:30

he refluxes all day long. sometimes silent-somtimes full blown vomit.

jessica. @ his 9 mo. the pedi said his weight is fine-@ 10 mo. the GI said his weight is not fine. we have a checkup with Gi on the 8th and our 1 year on the 9th of sept. hopefully they will have communicated by then so we can all be on the same page.
Aug 07, 2008
eswrede
Mathias Johann - 12/14/05 - GERD, Hypotonia, Sensory Processing Disorder, Dyspraxia; Stopped silently aspirating at 20 months :)
First partial seizure on 7/2; First Endoscopy on 7/16; results: bile reflux gastritis.
New Meds: Zegerid & Carafate
Allergic to dairy
We had trouble with night waking and bottle feeding during the night. It was one of the harder bottles for Mathias to give up. We gradually decreased the amount that he would get in each night bottle and then we were able to stop them. I think it did help him to learn that we don't eat at night. He didn't totally wean from the bottle until around age 2. It helped a bit with the night waking, but he still didn't/doesn't sleep through the night. Good Luck!
Aug 07, 2008
lauren'smom
Jennifer - 1st time mom. Lauren (6/1/07) diagnosed 9/07 with GER at 3 1/2 months. Prevacid 7.5 mg in the am. Currently drinking whole milk and eating great!!
No longer aspirating! Yippee!
Picture: Why would Lauren play with the hundreds of dollars worth of toys scattered in my living room?!?! When she could play in a box! Estimated move date: Oct. 3rd!
Is there anyway you could get a referral to a nutritionist? I know none of us want another appointment, but it could be really helpful...

Originally, I just went through our daily food schedule like you did above and she emailed me a "plan". We have revised it a few times since then. We mostly just correspond over the phone or email. She also really helped me on milk intros.

Would you be willing to try solids before bottles?

Aug 07, 2008
masonsmommy
Jodi, first time mom to baby Mason born at 28 weeks 12-10-07. He has GERD, DGE, MSPI, ?food allergies, and hypotonia (starts PT end of July). On Neocate (thickened with Simply Thick) and on prevacid and EES. Home apnea/bradycardia monitor d/c'd finally at 7 months!
I don't have a lot of new to add I guess but some thoughts for you. If he's on regular formula perhaps you could discuss with GI and pedi increasing the calorie content of his formula. This can be done with any brand. I would definitely discuss this night feeding issue with both GI and pedi given his history. I don't think you would have to embrace CIO to stop though that is for sure. If you want to see what happens just decrease the amount you give him during that night feeding by an ounce every couple of days and see what happens. He may not notice and eventually not wake. If he does or if he gets mad when you reduce the amount than he is probably hungry! It could easily be habit now though, you just won't know until you try to eliminate it but please don't assume that will mean crying necessarily unless you try cold turkey which I personally wouldn't try. I too have been told offer food then liquid. And I have had a pediatrician tell me that most babies would eat if given the opportunity when they wake at night?-
Aug 07, 2008
mom2coy
Coyle Eagan. One Year Old. Doing well on Cow's Milk flavored with juice :) Drinking two bottles of Go&Grow daily. Eating solids better but still have rough days. No More Silent Reflux-that I can hear anyway.. but puking again. Zantac 2ML 2X daily.


i forgot to mention that up until last week (the day after his Upper GI) he had been sleeping thru the night from 7p-6a consisently except for when cutting a tooth {he has eight}. I sure hope that the Upper GI didn't do some damage. If you've read my post about it you know how horrible it was. Especially when they inverted him to his side. I still can't get it out of my mind and I'm thinking about asking the GI why the test had to be performed that way. Seemed so cruel.

Jennifer-I've asked to speak with a nutritionist several times @ our Gi appts but have not had a meeting with her. Perhaps i'll press for a telephone consult. I'd def. be willing to try solids before bottles if i was sure that it would help his reflux. I really wanted him RAST tested for food allergies & I think the GI might scope him to look for celiac's/EE..

Mason's Mom-He's on alimentum and has been on 24 cal/ounce since 5 mo. (before that he was on 22/cal per ounce Neosure & soy, milk based formulas too) I give him 3 scoops to 5 ounces instead of 6. maybe tonite i'll scale back to 3 ounces. the weird thing to is that he's waking @ the same time every night.
Aug 07, 2008
lauren'smom
Jennifer - 1st time mom. Lauren (6/1/07) diagnosed 9/07 with GER at 3 1/2 months. Prevacid 7.5 mg in the am. Currently drinking whole milk and eating great!!
No longer aspirating! Yippee!
Picture: Why would Lauren play with the hundreds of dollars worth of toys scattered in my living room?!?! When she could play in a box! Estimated move date: Oct. 3rd!
He was sleeping through until last week...then I might be a little more inclined to push him to go without. We have had to do a little "retraining" after illness and teething to get Lauren sleep back on schedule. You may need to do this after his traumatic test :( Maybe go with the suggestion of just offering less and waiting longer to go to him?

I would also say def push for that nutritionist. SHE was the one who looked at Lauren's growth chart and really took time to think about EVERYTHING we had going on in relation to food/eating. The pedi's not a specialist and the GI's main concern was reflux, kwim? She would probably tell you about his weight too.

I hope he doesn't need the scope, but it may provide a lot of answers...

Aug 07, 2008
lauren'smom
Jennifer - 1st time mom. Lauren (6/1/07) diagnosed 9/07 with GER at 3 1/2 months. Prevacid 7.5 mg in the am. Currently drinking whole milk and eating great!!
No longer aspirating! Yippee!
Picture: Why would Lauren play with the hundreds of dollars worth of toys scattered in my living room?!?! When she could play in a box! Estimated move date: Oct. 3rd!
I also LOVE this new picture! I finally had to move Vito's food and water to the laundry room...
Aug 08, 2008
diezweids
Sebi is 23 months, diagnosed with GERD at about 3 months after months of misdiagnosis. Allergies = milk, maybe soy.
Med free since mid-July.
Tubes inserted in ears Dec 17, 2007. Left one has fallen out. Endoscopy done Feb. 21, no tissue abnormalities.
I just wanted to let you know that I had a different technique for breaking the bottle habit at night. If your doc approves it, I gave my son water when he woke at night. As it turns out, he wasn't hungry, he just craved that sucking sensation. After a few days of giving him water, his body adjusted and no longer woke him looking for food.

Just a thought. -Dea
Aug 08, 2008
mom2coy
Coyle Eagan. One Year Old. Doing well on Cow's Milk flavored with juice :) Drinking two bottles of Go&Grow daily. Eating solids better but still have rough days. No More Silent Reflux-that I can hear anyway.. but puking again. Zantac 2ML 2X daily.
Tried taking him down to 3 ounces. He cried horribly. took DH over an hour to get him back to sleep. woke again @ 5 am. Waiting for call from Pedi. G-d help me if he is getting more teeth!! Thanks! I love it too. Poor doggie. she's a yorkie and nervous as it is. Funny that Coy is a giant to her, lol
Check with your
doctor first!