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Jul 15, 2008
emibug
Kathryn, Pager Volunteer and mommy to Emily Mia 02/04/07. 3 years old with GERD. 30mg Prevacid and Pepcid AC. Mylanta needed for flares. Failed prilosec med switch. Tried and failed many med weans but GERD and pain are well controlled. Functional constipation. Reoccurring SBBO. Suspected IBD or autoimmune disease. Resolved issues: MSPI, CSID (acquired), Stage 2 kidney reflux, Chronic diarrhea.
Audrey Meadow 06/20/08. born 34/35 weeks. Still b/f and eats everything! ftt and chronic constipation.
normal babies puke... how to tell?
okay i am so lost on this- with emily she cried ALL THE TIME, so i pretty much knew stuff was all wrong. With audrey i am not so sure. I half think i am freaking myself out b/c i don't want her to get as bad as emily did, but the other half says something is legitimately not right. I am having a hard time distinguishing between reflux, milk protein allergy and normal baby puking.

Here are her symptoms of each, so if you could tell me what you think (and it's okay to tell me i'm crazy and nothings wrong too lol)
reflux:
she grunts, she is congested and coughs, she throws up at least twice a day
milk protein:
she throws up at least twice a day, she has lots of gas. she does not have the rash that emily did (the rash she had a couple days ago must have been from heat b/c it's gone) she does not cry all the time. but i do know that some of the symptoms of MPI are congestion and coughing -like reflux-too

so do you think that the reflux is just non acid reflux b/c of her immature system or do you think it might be from MPI causing her to reflux? or just normal baby puke? i know i should just let if go b/c she's not crying but i can't, she's puking and that just worries me, i so don't want to do the elmin diet again....
Jul 15, 2008
emibug
Kathryn, Pager Volunteer and mommy to Emily Mia 02/04/07. 3 years old with GERD. 30mg Prevacid and Pepcid AC. Mylanta needed for flares. Failed prilosec med switch. Tried and failed many med weans but GERD and pain are well controlled. Functional constipation. Reoccurring SBBO. Suspected IBD or autoimmune disease. Resolved issues: MSPI, CSID (acquired), Stage 2 kidney reflux, Chronic diarrhea.
Audrey Meadow 06/20/08. born 34/35 weeks. Still b/f and eats everything! ftt and chronic constipation.
oh the congestion and coughing worries me b/c she also coughs while she is breast feeding too, should i worry about aspiration? oh geeze writing this just made me feel like a worry wort- which i usually am not! i felt like i knew so much more... but she's just so little and i guess i am just so tired from emily- she is not sleeping or eating much lately... *sigh*
Jul 15, 2008
maggiemom
Maggie is now 3 years old and reflux free (knock on wood). I still check in some to see how everybody is doing :) Hugs to all!
You know that what I know, I've learned from y'all so I don't know how much I can help. I'm like you though, I'm not too worried about acid if she's not crying and arching but the coughing makes me think of mspi. I'm not real helpful with aspiration either.
Jul 15, 2008
amber f
Kat I don't know much about MSPI but could you try the elimination diet to see if it continues. Normal babies cough and seem congested and vomit too so it could be nothing. A lot of times I think a baby is congested when they are first born but it is just that they breathe like that a lot. Babies are very noisey. I think trying the elimination diet will help you narrow that down at least. I wouldn't suspect reflux because she is not in pain. MSPI don't you usually see diarhea with it? I could be wrong but the doc told me a true allergy/ intolerance there is usually diarhea. HTH
Jul 15, 2008
lanymama
Mom to Eddie 1/07 and Nicholas 6/08. Eddie allergic and refluxer now on cow's milk!!!! Nicholas also a refluxer on prevacid and breast milk. Mom on elimination diet AGAIN!!
what made me think NIck was reflux for sure wast the arching back, and unable to sleep unless elevated, also once I gave him the mylanta he calmED down as for the MSPI, the GI told me to start with the diet then try milk and soy anbout a month in and see what symptoms he has. I must say though I have cheated a bit with this one I ate goldfish and some special K that have dairy, as well as non dairy cremer. Kepp us posted she is so cute. Thinking of you all often :O)e
Jul 15, 2008
katiesmommy
Tracey, mom to Katie diagnosed with GERD at 3 week.
Katie went a long time with reflux before she started to cry. She would vomit all that she had eaten and wake up crying at night because she was COVERED in vomit, I mean her hair was dripping. It actually took awhile before she started crying from the acid burn. Not sure if this helps or not.
Jul 15, 2008
mommyto2
BRANDON-Zantac and Bethanacol; Neocate formula, 2 sets of ear tubes, Adnoids removed, Vasomotor Rhinits, Asthma. Currently on: Xyzal, Omnaris, Flovent and Xopenex,
AUBREY-Zegerid 2x a day, Soy Milk, Tubes put in and adnoids removed (11-7), Hypotonia, ECI therapy for low muscle tone throughout trunk and hips, oral motor issues and sensory integration issues, delayed speech, Teething, probiotics
PICTURE: Aubrey in her cute cat outfit. If you look you can see how her right foot turns in. She walks that way as well. It is not as exaggerated in the morning's but gets worse in the evenings. This was after her nap.
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Kat-Sor sorry you are going through this. I will give you my opinion from my exp. My first-Brandon-cried ALL the time and puked about 15x's a day. Then came sweet Aubrey. She NEVER cried, slept through feedings, coughed and choked at the breast (I even tried different things to see if it was a fast let down problem), slept like a dream baby until about 4-5wks old...then the symptoms hit! The diahrrea, the bottom rash, wet burps, still coughing and choking, tummy rumbelings, difficulty breathing(or abnormal breathing after feedings almost labored), congestion. Every baby shows signs differently. I would say follow your instincts. I would def get her in to see a doc soon. I have heard from my GI that it gets more severe w/ each child (of course rare cases it doesn't). I would lean towards def reflux going on. Feel free to email me if you want to or need to chat-jenniferhaub@sbcglobal.net
Jul 15, 2008
mdbarbagallo
Melissa - Mommy to Sebastian, born 9/28/07 @ 7 lbs 7 oz and 20.75 in. At docs at 12 months: 27 pounds and 32 in! Good grief! GERD - currently on Prevacid suspension (liquid equivalent of 45 mg a day). Allergic to dairy, soy, eggs, wheat, all treenuts, peanuts, fish, shellfish, peas, sesame, bananas, barley, coconut, dust, dust mite, dog, cat, latex. Seasonal allergies. Oral Allergy Syndrome (OAS). Neocate only - no solids - until further notice (drinks and loves water, too). Loves his doggie, our rescued Treeing Walker Coonhound, Louise, even though he is allergic to her. Louise will make your doctor a homemade pie if you would like her to. PHOTO: We couldn't do a cake on Sebastian's birthday, but that didn't stop him from tossing around the contents of a big bowl of popcorn! He now tries to eat it when we play with popcorn, so no more of that game.... :(
Hi. I am so sorry. Haven't you been through enough??? I don't know if this will help or not, but I'll share anyway. My sister has a three week old daughter who spit up nonstop in the hospital. She was put on Alimentum (her six-year-old six has severe food allergies, so they didn't take any chances). She is still spitting up. She's now on Zantac. She is not screaming, but she is spitting up after every meal. She has a lot of very smelly gas. Her ped thinks it is milk allergy AND reflux. I just thought it might help to compare notes. Hope little Audrey feels better ASAP.
Jul 15, 2008
baby quinn's mommy
Mom to a 3 year old baby girl with severe reflux: g-tube, nissen fundoplication. dx: RAD, failure to thrive, DGE, epilepsy, sleep apnea, paraesohphogeal hernia, high lactic acid there's more "unknown disease"... Hospitalized 12 times, PT graduate! ST graduate! OT graduate! Current Meds: singulair, zopeonex, pulmicort, reglan, Keppra, Trileptal, vitamin B6, Veramyst. Current weight: 34 lb. Current height: 39". g-tube dependent, oxygen 1-2LpM all day and night PIC: Ms. Quinn
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kat, so sorry. I have no experience with a normal baby except my new little nephew. I sometimes worry about his breathing since sometimes he breathes fast, but i always have to remember that they are new and so they are learning how things work too. I think that if she doesn't get pneumonia or bronchitis or upper respiratory thing, you are probably on the safe side when it comes to the aspiration. But I am also a firm believer in *mommy knows best* If it is really bugging you, then you are probably right and maybe she needs a little bit of harmless testing (such as a barium swallow) to confirm or rule out aspiration. It does sound like she has reflux though. if she is not in pain from it, the only thing you can do is let it ride its course (unfortunately). I hope that things get better. Is she still really sleepy? -Sarah
Jul 15, 2008
jenrackley
PAGER Volunteer Services Coordinator
Nutritionist
Melina 7/24/02 now reflux free!!
TWINS:
Ella 5/3/05 GERD, asthma, hypotonia, food intolerances, esophagitis, IBS //
Ava 5/3/05 asthma, food allergies
Pic: My girls! They are getting so big!
I don't know Kat except to say that it does warrant a chat with your pedi. Ella didn't start showing her reflux symptoms until she was about 4-6 weeks old. Melina was right away. It depends on the kid like pp's have said.

I would worry about MSPI with the cough and congestion. It is always possible that it is normal baby stuff but it wouldn't hurt to check with the pedi and explore the option of elimination diet (I know, that stinks for you).

I will say my "normal baby" (as in non-refluxer) did not throw up. She would spit out amounts equal to about a tablespoon or two, her gas was not painful to her, she did not arch etc while I was breastfeeding (or while she was drinking soy formula). She IS allergic to milk though and now when she drinks it she wheezes, gets a rash and has sinus symptoms. Just fyi. ;) HTH!!
Jul 15, 2008
kmom
Worry Wart mom to
27 mo. reformed "happy spitter"
34.8lbs , 37in tall(oct)
Diagnosed A/R at 6 wks
Zantac until 1yr then Prevacid
Med free since February 08
peanut & egg allergies...still
Zoo Boo Trick-or-Treating (pic).
Korbin grunted and arched from 5 days on but it didn't get really bad until about 3 weeks. I wasn't sure it was AR until 5 weeks. He was a truly happy spitter. His problem was he wouldn't sleep, even in a swing after 4 weeks old or so, and he vomited all the time (got really bad around 5 weeks). He had a few what we called "episodes" where he vomited and cried and was in obvious pain but that was all the crying he did except when he laid down. Once he was upright again, he was a happy baby again.

He had a bad rash that disappeared once we started nutramigan. He still had ezcema in patches until he was a year old. They blamed these skin issues on MSPI which he outgrew by 14 months.

It is possible for them to reflux and not damage their esophagus. Not sure how that is but Korbin had a scope at 18 months and there was nothing but perfectly healthy tissue.
SOooo long story short, I think they can reflux and have pain but not necessarily all the time. MSPI can cause reflux and an immature digestive system can cause her to reflux and vomit. Not sure this helped but it's the best I can do.

Good Luck ~Ronya
Jul 16, 2008
joy
Dd (7) w/ SPD (sensory processing disorder), hypotonia, GERD, since birth. Previous PT, OT, Early Intervention, special ed, feeding clinic, feeding therapy from 2-3. Reflux meds since 2. Overcame severe feeding challenges, dysphagia, oral aversions, anxiety disorder. Weaned from reflux meds @ 6 1/2 yrs. A true miracle!! Ds (4) Prevacid 30mg, split am/pm; upcoming endoscopy. Ds (9 mos.), nursing, pureed foods, Zantac 1.2 mL 2x/day.
Coughing and congestion were definitely two of my ds symptoms. But if I remember, he didn't cry in the beginning either. He just started spitting up HUGE amounts of breastmilk (we would both have to change clothes). At some point he changed and started crying all the time (from a few mos. to a year?) arching his back, etc. So sorry you have to deal with this. I know I was a lot more cautious/concerned with my second one because of what we went through with the first.
Check with your
doctor first!