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Jul 14, 2008
lanymama
Mom to Eddie 1/07 and Nicholas 6/08. Eddie allergic and refluxer now on cow's milk!!!! Nicholas also a refluxer on prevacid and breast milk. Mom on elimination diet AGAIN!!
Nicholas weight gain? Reflux??
Hi girsl I haven't posted in a while but my new lo was showing some signs of reflux, although not as bad as Eddie I was able to soothe him, and he slept in the car seat all weekend I am a little confused as what to do. My little butterball has gained almost 1 pound in 6 days! breastmilk only, weighing in at 11lbs and 8 oz My ped thinks I am over feeding him and that is causing his reflux, I think he may be over-eating because of the reflux, you all know self soothing? My ped's plan was to 1st put him on a diet (poor baby has to start so young) only allow him to nurse for 15 min on each breast or pump and only give him 3 to 3.5 oz. Every 3 to 4 hours. If that doesn't work, give him rice cereal, and if that doens't work then start him on Zantac. What do you all think? I am a little hesitant to try the rice cereal I think he is too young. I am more apt to just start the Zantac? But I am confused I need some advice. Thanks girls :O)Elaine
Jul 14, 2008
mdbarbagallo
Melissa - Mommy to Sebastian, born 9/28/07 @ 7 lbs 7 oz and 20.75 in. At docs at 12 months: 27 pounds and 32 in! Good grief! GERD - currently on Prevacid suspension (liquid equivalent of 45 mg a day). Allergic to dairy, soy, eggs, wheat, all treenuts, peanuts, fish, shellfish, peas, sesame, bananas, barley, coconut, dust, dust mite, dog, cat, latex. Seasonal allergies. Oral Allergy Syndrome (OAS). Neocate only - no solids - until further notice (drinks and loves water, too). Loves his doggie, our rescued Treeing Walker Coonhound, Louise, even though he is allergic to her. Louise will make your doctor a homemade pie if you would like her to. PHOTO: We couldn't do a cake on Sebastian's birthday, but that didn't stop him from tossing around the contents of a big bowl of popcorn! He now tries to eat it when we play with popcorn, so no more of that game.... :(
I'm so sorry. Your poor little guy, and poor you. Sounds like Sebastian. He gained 10 oz between when we went to the doc on Friday afternoon and when we went on the following Mon a.m....when he was two weeks old. He comfort ate a LOT...but now he is tall and huge!! He is not overweight at all - I never limited what he ate and really don't think you should be worried about that at this point. Your doc needs to give the little guy a chance! I would probably avoid rice cereal...it's tough on kids. Can you try simply Thick instead? Rice is so hard to digest...my man still has trouble, and he is 9.5 months old. I would go for the Zantac...it isn't going to hurt him. Please keep us posted!
Jul 14, 2008
maggiemom
Maggie is now 3 years old and reflux free (knock on wood). I still check in some to see how everybody is doing :) Hugs to all!
Totally just my opinion but I wouldn't do the rice either. I also don't know how I feel about limiting his time on the breast. I mean, as long as he isn't constantly nursing. Morgan regularly nursed for 45mins. I thought it all depended on the baby and how fast the milk comes down. I don't know....I guess it's worth a try. You could see how that goes for a few days.
Jul 14, 2008
daniejo
Mom (Danie) to Adam (9-4-03) & Nate (3-7-07) Nate was diagnosed with silent AR at 2 months old. He was on neocate, prevacid 30mg per day and couldn't start solids till he was almost 8 months old. He started cow's milk at 14 months and is currently off all meds!! So far so good :) PIC: Disney trip 2008. Nate didn't know Piglet was there, he didn't like the characters too much.
WOW...this soooooo sounds like Nate. I personally was NOT in tune with the "diet" or doing the rice. When I switched dr's, they immediately put him on prevacid. He was exactly 2 months old tho.

JMHO....I would do the med first. That's just me, from my personal experience. He is probably "comfort feeding" so being on the med might comfort him so he doesn't choose to eat so much, make sense? This is JUST my opinion...this just sounds so familiar to me. Nate is not a FAT baby now and he comfort fed till about 7 months. He is chunky but I will take that any day. Let us know what you decide. I am so sorry he is showing signs of reflux.

Jul 14, 2008
eswrede
Mathias Johann - 12/14/05 - GERD, Hypotonia, Sensory Processing Disorder, Dyspraxia; Stopped silently aspirating at 20 months :)
First partial seizure on 7/2; First Endoscopy on 7/16; results: bile reflux gastritis.
New Meds: Zegerid & Carafate
Allergic to dairy
I too would be uncomfortable with starting the rice cereal. Solids actually made M's reflux much worse. IMO nurse or feed as frequently as your little one asks and start with the meds. M gained weight very quickly when he was really little - so fast that our 1st pedi didn't believe that he could have any medical issues. Even now M will drink more when his reflux is bothering him as a coping mechanism. I hope you are able to figure out something that you are comfortable with. Keep us posted. Libby
Jul 14, 2008
baby quinn's mommy
Mom to a 3 year old baby girl with severe reflux: g-tube, nissen fundoplication. dx: RAD, failure to thrive, DGE, epilepsy, sleep apnea, paraesohphogeal hernia, high lactic acid there's more "unknown disease"... Hospitalized 12 times, PT graduate! ST graduate! OT graduate! Current Meds: singulair, zopeonex, pulmicort, reglan, Keppra, Trileptal, vitamin B6, Veramyst. Current weight: 34 lb. Current height: 39". g-tube dependent, oxygen 1-2LpM all day and night PIC: Ms. Quinn
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Well, i would at least try the rice cereal before medication. But if you feel hesitant about it, Zantac has never been proven to hurt a baby (as far as I know). So sorry that your new little one is having reflux problems. AWESOME on the weight gain, but not awesome if he is only eating to soothe because then he will never really be satisfied. I hope that you can find something that will help. Remember, we are here for you! -Sarah
Jul 15, 2008
mollybeth
Cooper was born 12/19/07. Birth weight: 7lbs10oz. Weight as of 2/11: 8lbs9oz. 6/23: 14lbs12oz! Struggling again 12mo: 18lbs. Breast Fed exclusively, on strict elimination diet until Dec 08. MSPI as well as other food intolerances Diagnosed w/ GER at 5 days following barium swallow. Choking with apnea spells. Ftt. dx w/ Laryngomalacia following brochoscopy 1/29. Aspiration. apnea monitor until 5mo. pH probe 1/29 showed severe reflux. Sandifers Syndrome. lbrady and tackycardia. echo and EKG 2/18: Came back normal! Swallow study 2/29: some NG reflux. Unexplained seizure 4/1. Negative CF sweat test 4/4! EGD 11/19: reflux damage in esophagus. pH probe 11/19, reflux improved. Safe foods: pears, apples, peas, rice, small amounts of chicken, potatoes, and carrots.
Currently drinking Elecare vanilla 30cal/oz and breastmilk.
Meds: Nexium 10mg 2x daily. Carafate as needed, miralaxx as needed, probiotics daily
First this is all JMO. I have to say that b/c I am quite frustrated at what your dr told you. I would not put my bf baby on a "diet". The cal in breast milk are not sugar fat like in formula. You know, formula is general corn syrup as the 1st ingredient so they can get too much of that. Also I am worried about what this might do to your milk supply. As for the rice, Cooper had major flare ups w/ rice and we gave it at 4mo, so that would make me nervous. It wouldn't hurt to try it b/c you can stop it right away, but I wouldn't try it imo. Also, 3 oz of breastmilk every 3-4 hrs is not enough, not for a newborn breastfed baby. We met w/ a RD/nutritionist at Cook Children's in TX and that is where I'm coming from w/ my info. Have you done the elimination diet? We did it full blown and it changed our lives. I would be happy to share in more detail about it if you want to email me, mollybethc_513@yahoo.com. I would consider that before diet for baby or rice. We started Cooper on zantac and reglan at 5 days, though we didn't have a choice b/c of apnea/ aspiration ect. But, I 'd do it all again even though I hate that he's been on meds so long. I'm so sorry. Some babies are just fat. A gobby fat bf baby is not overweight, it just doesn't happen. You might reference The Womanly Art or dr sears Baby Book for more info on this. I hope I'm not coming across as too harsh, I just feel really bad for you guys and am sorry your dr suggested a "diet".
Jul 15, 2008
mollybeth
Cooper was born 12/19/07. Birth weight: 7lbs10oz. Weight as of 2/11: 8lbs9oz. 6/23: 14lbs12oz! Struggling again 12mo: 18lbs. Breast Fed exclusively, on strict elimination diet until Dec 08. MSPI as well as other food intolerances Diagnosed w/ GER at 5 days following barium swallow. Choking with apnea spells. Ftt. dx w/ Laryngomalacia following brochoscopy 1/29. Aspiration. apnea monitor until 5mo. pH probe 1/29 showed severe reflux. Sandifers Syndrome. lbrady and tackycardia. echo and EKG 2/18: Came back normal! Swallow study 2/29: some NG reflux. Unexplained seizure 4/1. Negative CF sweat test 4/4! EGD 11/19: reflux damage in esophagus. pH probe 11/19, reflux improved. Safe foods: pears, apples, peas, rice, small amounts of chicken, potatoes, and carrots.
Currently drinking Elecare vanilla 30cal/oz and breastmilk.
Meds: Nexium 10mg 2x daily. Carafate as needed, miralaxx as needed, probiotics daily
Also, I just re read my post and I don't want to come off as anti formula or a formula basher. God knows how close we were to weaning and doing formula several times. I just meant it doesn't break down the same as formula, which is why some bf babies are on the small side. It's just not quite the same. I hope i don't seem like a big breastfeeding terd! LOL!
Jul 15, 2008
ceramom
Sarah
mom to Mila 2-20-2007
and Robby 4-22-2004
Mila is on Peptamen JR 30 cal by NG tube. Open Heart Surgery 2/08/08. Captopril, Zantac, Losec, Lasix.
Okay... here comes the LLL freak in me coming out.

Nursing your child only 15 minutes on each breast will actually do them - and you - a disservice.

Your boobs are magical things. Honestly. Your boobs make the milk YOUR child needs. Have a preemie? Your boobs make higher calorie breastmilk. Have a cold? Your body will make antibodies in the milk to protect your child. Research has PROVEN that your breasts actually recieve saliva from your childs mouth and, in turn, provide antibodies to what THEY have been exposed to - even if YOU haven't been exposed recently!

My son, Robby, screamed bloody murder for the first two weeks of his life. THE WHOLE TWO WEEKS. It stopped after my first LLL meeting. Why? *HE WAS HUNGRY* The worst advice I EVER GOT as a parent was the 15 minute crap rule. The very very first milk out of your breasts is nearly water. Pumped, it looks slightly bluish - just like skim milk. The calories in it are very low. The last drop of milk from your breasts is thick yellow cream, chock full of calories, and antibodies. This milk, called hind milk, fills your child up and makes them more satisfied.

Once Robby was getting hindmilk, he was much much happier. Despite the super puking everywhere machine he was, when allowed to nurse as much as he wanted, as often as he wanted, he felt much better. Yes, it made the reflux worse ( and I wish we'd been offered reflux meds ).

Don't take this as an attack if you decide to follow your doctors advice. I didn't go to medical school... but I did go to a whole year of LLL meetings!

Jul 15, 2008
mollybeth
Cooper was born 12/19/07. Birth weight: 7lbs10oz. Weight as of 2/11: 8lbs9oz. 6/23: 14lbs12oz! Struggling again 12mo: 18lbs. Breast Fed exclusively, on strict elimination diet until Dec 08. MSPI as well as other food intolerances Diagnosed w/ GER at 5 days following barium swallow. Choking with apnea spells. Ftt. dx w/ Laryngomalacia following brochoscopy 1/29. Aspiration. apnea monitor until 5mo. pH probe 1/29 showed severe reflux. Sandifers Syndrome. lbrady and tackycardia. echo and EKG 2/18: Came back normal! Swallow study 2/29: some NG reflux. Unexplained seizure 4/1. Negative CF sweat test 4/4! EGD 11/19: reflux damage in esophagus. pH probe 11/19, reflux improved. Safe foods: pears, apples, peas, rice, small amounts of chicken, potatoes, and carrots.
Currently drinking Elecare vanilla 30cal/oz and breastmilk.
Meds: Nexium 10mg 2x daily. Carafate as needed, miralaxx as needed, probiotics daily
Oh Sarah, I was hoping you would post on this thread. I knew you had the LLL background too. I actually pumped the foremilk and nursed hindmilk for a long time when Cooper's weight was struggling so and then fortified the foremilk and gave it in a bottle. You made an excellent point that slipped my mind. Glad I have a LLL buddy;)
Jul 15, 2008
mom2halleyann
Donnessa, mom to Halley born 3/10/07
Reflux (mostly) resolved at 14 months
and Addison born 8/17/09. Currently exclusively bf and on 7.5mg Prevacid
I don't think the rice cereal is a very good idea either. I particularly don't like the idea of limiting his time at the breast (but of course I'm not a doctor). I would start him on Zantac and see how he does. Mommy's intuition is usually spot on, so if you think his weight gain is reflux related, it probably is. (((big hugs)))
Check with your
doctor first!